we called the police and it was a
我们报了警，这是一个
bizarre call because I said to the
奇怪的电话，因为我对警察说，
police operator I don't quite know how
我不知道该
to explain this but I've been accused of
如何解释，但我被指控为
being a satanic pedophile and I've been
撒旦恋童癖者，我被
accused of abusing my daughter in this
指控虐待我的女儿
way and the police operator said okay
警察接线员说
well the police are on their way to your
好的，警察正在前往你
[Music]
house 9 years ago two small children
家的路上。9年前，两个小孩
accused a community of the worst crimes
指控一个社区犯下了最严重的罪行，
imaginable what did they do to you they
他们对你做了什么，他们
do sex they sex they touched metic qus
做爱，他们触碰了 metic qus
and their allegations went viral online
和 他们的指控在网上疯传，
and were circulated around the world
并传遍了世界各地
Listen to the children don't tell the
听听孩子们说的话，不要让
children to shut up a group of parents
孩子们闭嘴 一群父母
were accused of abusing their 9-year-old
被指控虐待他们9岁的
children and their
孩子和他们的
classmates
同学
the only important job you have in life
你生命中唯一重要的工作
is to protect your child and to have a
是为了保护你的孩子，而
Potential Threat towards them is a mom's
对他们的潜在威胁是妈妈
worst nightmare we've recorded audio
最可怕的噩梦，我们录制了
interviews with four moms who've never
对四位
spoken publicly before I think it's such
从未公开发表过言论的妈妈的音频采访，我觉得
a relief to finally have an opportunity
终于有机会
to tell our
讲述我们的
story 34
故事真是太好了 34
to3 to protect their identities actors
to3 保护 他们的身份演员们
are lipsyncing their way words you just
正在以他们的方式对口型你只是
have this
有一种
sickening gut feeling of
令人作呕的直觉，
just disgust that someone would
只是厌恶，有人会
think you would do that to your
认为你会这样对待你的
child all the voices messages and online
孩子这部电影中使用的所有声音、信息和在线
videos used in this film are real you
视频都是真实的，你
agree on it stoping the babies stop
同意阻止婴儿停止
killing
杀死
babies and we will also meet the
婴儿，我们还会遇到
conspiracy theorists who pushed the lie
散布谎言的阴谋论者，
if you wouldn't believe two children
如果你不相信两个孩子
when they tell you something like this
告诉你这样的事情，
who would you
你会
believe we are here crying for help
相信谁，我们在这里哭着寻求帮助，
there are children screaming to be heard
有孩子在尖叫着想要被听到，
if you don't hear those children
如果你不相信的话 听不到那些孩子的
Scream the picture from the day before
尖叫声，前一天拍的照片
was of
是
Rosie walking on that pathway to school
罗西在雪地里走在去学校的路上，
over hamstad Heath in the snow and I had
穿过哈姆斯塔德荒地，我
stopped and I had taken a picture of
停下来给她拍了一张照片
her and now when I look at that picture
，现在当我看着那张照片时，
it's like the last final photo of normal
感觉就像是最后一次 她和我们正常小学生活的最后一张照片
primary school life for her and
us and then it all
然后一切都
changed
变了
hello come on in how you doing good
你好来吧你过得怎么样
thank you thank you very much how you
谢谢你非常感谢你
been yeah not B just recovering from the
过得怎么样对不对不是B刚从流感中恢复过来
flu like lots of people in the
就像国内很多人一样
country come on through would you like a
来吧 通过你想
cup of tea love a cup of
喝杯茶吗喜欢一
tea so what did happen on the 5th of
杯茶那么发生了什么事 2015 年 2 月 5 日，
febru
2015 I'm at work and an email came in
我正在上班，学校发来一封电子邮件，
from the
school just kind of said there had been
说有人
some some some allegations made and the
提出了一些指控，
school had dealt with it the police had
学校已经处理了，警察也
dealt with it and it was puzzling and
处理了，这让人很疑惑，
then up popped on my screen something
然后就弹出 我的屏幕上出现了一些
truly
非常
bizarre and I said out loud about
奇怪的内容，我
four or five times in a row oh my
连续四五次大声喊道“
God in 2015 a primary school in Hamstead
天哪”，2015 年，汉姆斯特德的一所小学
was at the center of an Internet storm I
成为互联网风暴的中心，我
started to Google to find out what the
开始用谷歌搜索这封
email was referring to and then I saw
电子邮件到底指的是什么 然后我看到了
the links to the video and it was two
视频链接，视频里有两个
children Abigail and Joseph that had
孩子，阿比盖尔和约瑟夫，他们
been pupils at my daughter's school and
是我女儿学校的学生，
they were describing all of this like
他们描述了这一切，就像
horrific sex abuse
可怕的性虐待，
what did they do to you they do
他们对你做了什么，他们做了
sextic qus
性虐待，谁对
andan who does who sticks it in
谁做了 把它放在
your everybody all of who who who
你的每个人所有谁谁谁
[音乐]
everybody in a series of videos an
每个人在一系列视频中，一名
8-year-old boy and his 9-year-old sister
8 岁男孩和他 9 岁的妹妹
made allegations of abuse against their
指控他们的
father teachers and parents of their
父亲、老师和同学的父母虐待他们，
the first reaction was complete
第一反应 完全
shock you can't believe that a child
震惊了 你无法相信一个孩子
saying of
说出这些
things the videos had been made whilst
事情，这些视频是在
the children were on holiday with their
孩子们和他们的
mother Ella Draper and her new boyfriend
母亲埃拉·德雷珀以及她的新男友
Abraham
亚伯拉罕·
Christie there a big church in Hamad
克里斯蒂一起度假时拍摄的，他们一起去哈马德的一座大教堂，在那里
that's where they go all together and
they do sex it was just so shocking to
做爱
take in what they were saying was that
听到他们说的话真是太令人震惊了，
that I was coming into school on a
我星期三去学校
Wednesday and abusing my daughter and
虐待我的女儿和
other
其他
children what the is going on what
孩子，他妈的到底发生了什么，
the what the
what's going
他妈的到底发生了什么
what's going
on and that was kind of the first
，这有点像 第一
day all of a sudden they mentioned my
天，他们突然提到了我
daughter's name and then all of a sudden
女儿的名字，然后又突然
they mentioned my name and they said
提到了我的名字，他们说
that I'd been abusing my daughter myself
我一直在虐待我的女儿
and my
和我的
husband I do remember just really
丈夫，我记得当时我真的在
thinking oh my God oh my God we've been
想，哦，天哪，天哪，我们’ 被
accused of being
指控为
pedophiles this is just you know this is
恋童癖，你知道这很
bad in addition to the allegations of
糟糕，除了
pedophilia Abigail and Joseph claimed in
恋童癖的指控，阿比盖尔和约瑟夫在视频中声称，
the videos that the entire School
Community led by their father was
他们父亲领导的整个学校社区都
involved in Satanic ritual abuse what
参与了撒旦仪式虐待，
happened in the church so we killed F in
教堂里发生了什么，所以我们 在埃及杀死了F
Egypt and we danc from the skulls you
，我们从头骨中跳舞，你
what we danc with the skulls in a CH
我们 在 CH 中与骷髅共舞，
what skulls the skulls of the
骷髅是婴儿的头骨，
baby so it was one thing to be labeled a
所以被贴上
pedophile and then a whole other layer
恋童癖的标签是一回事，
to be labeled a satanic pedophile uh and
被贴上撒旦恋童癖的标签又是另一回事，
which conjured up all this dark imagery
这让人联想到巫术的所有黑暗形象
of witchcraft
I couldn't understand how anybody could
我不明白怎么会有人
possibly believe it but so many people
相信，但这么多人
are sharing it it was very
分享，这让人很
disturbing the children's Mother Ella
不安，孩子们的母亲埃拉·
Draper lived an alternative
德雷珀过着一种另类的
lifestyle hi girls my name is Ella draa
生活方式，嗨，女孩们，我的名字是埃拉·德拉，
I'm excited to welcome you and share my
我很高兴欢迎你们，并分享我的
experience of face yoga about how she
经历 面部瑜伽讲述了她
was a raw food vegan taught bitr yoga
是如何成为一名生食素食主义者，教授 bitr 瑜伽
and for years she had been locked in a
，多年来，她一直
custody dispute with the children's
与孩子的父亲陷入监护权纠纷，
father witness statement by Ella Draper
Ella Draper 的证人陈述，
from 21st of March
从 2015 年 3 月 21 日起，
2015 after the children's videos were
在孩子们的视频被
uploaded online an explosive statement
上传到网上后，Ella 发表了爆炸性的声明
from Ella appeared on
出现在
YouTube I believe my children are
YouTube 上 我相信我的孩子们
telling the truth when they describe
说他们
that their father is the leader of a
的父亲是
satanic cult I also believe that many
撒旦邪教的领袖是实话 我也相信许多
parents abuse the children at the school
家长在学校虐待孩子是
as part of a satanic cult babies are
撒旦教婴儿
supplied from all over the world they
来自世界各地，他们
are abused tortured with rat traps
遭受虐待，被老鼠夹折磨，
injected in the neck and their necks are
脖子被注射毒品，脖子被他们
cut with a sharp knife held by them they
手里的锋利刀割断，他们
buy them inject them and send by TNT DHL
买下婴儿，注射毒品，通过 TNT DHL
service or the parents bring them from
服务寄出，或者父母把他们从
other parts of the
世界其他地方，
world Ella's new boyfriend was a man
埃拉的新男友
called Abraham Christie a convicted
名叫亚伯拉罕·克里斯蒂，是一名被定罪的
criminal with links to conspiracy
罪犯，与阴谋
theorists they want to make one world
论者有联系，他们想把世界
religion Satanism and they want
宗教变成撒旦教，他们想让
everybody to bow down to that so they
每个人都屈服于撒旦教，这样他们
could take your children torture your
就可以带走你的孩子，折磨你的
children rape them kill them Harvest
孩子，强奸他们 杀死他们，摘取
their organs drink their blood and eat
他们的器官，喝他们的血，吃
their
他们的
flesh the hamster children's allegations
肉，仓鼠孩子的指控
had gone viral and conspiracy theorists
已经在网上疯传，阴谋论者
were making videos to spread the story
制作视频，向全世界传播这个故事，
world
wide with Hamstead they call H S
Hamstead 他们称 H S
currently in the UK we have people who
目前在英国，我们有人
are performing Satanic rituals it's
正在进行撒旦仪式，这
downright murder of children teachers
简直是 谋杀儿童、教师、
lawyers solicitors doctors social
律师、律师医生、社会
workers these people are involved in
工作者这些人参与了
these satanic pedophile Cults existing
in the
英国存在的撒旦恋童癖邪教，
UK Abigail and Joseph were seen as proof
阿比盖尔和约瑟夫被视为
of what they had been saying for years
他们多年来所说
that the world is controlled by baby
的世界被控制的证据 通过
eating satanic
吃婴儿的撒旦
pedophiles they say it's a hoax if I was
恋童癖他们说这是一个骗局如果我是
the wanted to create a hoax in
那个混蛋想在
countless online videos the conspiracy
无数的在线视频中制造一个骗局阴谋
theorists fixated on rescuing the
论者专注于
children of Hamstead from their
从他们的
pedophile
恋童癖
parents we were just sitting there at
父母手中拯救哈姆斯特德的孩子我们就坐在
home watching this story explode on the
家里看着这个故事爆炸
worldwide web it was it was Global it
全球网络，全球性的，规模
was massive um
庞大的，嗯，
everybody seemed to be discussing this
似乎每个人都在讨论这个
extraordinary story and wondering who
非同寻常的故事，想知道
were these child
这些
abusers the police conducted interviews
虐待儿童的人是谁，警方进行了采访，
and they searched the school after
他们搜查了学校，在
finding no evidence of Satanic ritual
没有发现撒旦仪式虐待的证据后，
abuse they closed the case an outcome
他们结案了
which Ella
埃拉对此
disputed I'm very disappointed that the
表示异议，我很失望，
police have failed to do any
警方没有对
investigation into the rapes and sodamy
by their dad teachers and head
他们的父亲、老师和校长的强奸和鸡奸行为进行任何调查，
teachers instead the children were taken
相反，这些孩子被带去
into care my children were kidnapped and
照顾，我的孩子被绑架，并
forced into foster care against my
违背我的意愿被迫寄养，
wishes I seek the Urgent return of my
我寻求 我的孩子紧急归来，
children and then a list of the abusers
然后网上出现了虐待者的名单
appears online and it's our names it's
，上面有我们的名字，有
our kids names it's their addresses
我们孩子的名字，有他们的地址和
telephone numbers everything is is out
电话号码，所有的东西都在
there and we all know that is the playd
那里，我们都知道这是游戏
date list that you know is generated in
日期列表，你知道它是在
every school I thought here we got these
每个 学校 我以为我们已经得到了这些
extreme
极端的
accusations and here we've got all our
指控，也得到了所有的
details and so then at that point the
细节，然后我突然意识到
penny dropped and it felt really
事情真的很
serious I remember sitting on the
严重，我记得我坐在
bedroom
卧室的
floor leaning against the bed talking to
地板上，靠在床上跟
my husband and just saying
丈夫说话，然后说了
this isn't going to go
这些 不会
away this isn't going to go
消失，这不会消失
away so before all of this happened what
所以在这一切发生之前，
did you think of Ella Draper the mother
你觉得埃拉·德雷珀是
of the two
两个
children she was a bit odd she she she
孩子的母亲，她有点奇怪，她
probably wasn't um somebody that I would
可能不是嗯 我
naturally have an affinity with it was
自然而然地会和某个人有亲和力，这
just something about
只是她身上的一些东西，
her I could not get my head around the
我无法理解，
fact that it was another mother that had
这是另一位母亲
made these
提出的这些
allegations it was in unbelievable and
指控，对我来说，这令人难以置信和
incomprehensible to
难以理解，
me Ella dra had arrived with her two
埃拉·德拉带着她的两个小孩来了
small children a few years earlier and
几年前，我曾抚养过 175 名孩子，
had recently learned that the school
最近得知学校
Community had raised concerns about her
社区对她的育儿方式表示担忧，
parenting
there were
175 people that Ella had implicated how
Ella 牵连了 175 个人，
could another mother do that to 70 other
另一个母亲怎么能对其他 70 个
families I just snapped so I picked up
家庭做出这样的事情，我当时就怒了，于是拿起
the phone and I phoned to Ella and I
电话， 我打电话给 Ella，
screamed at her get my
对她大喊大叫 现在就把我
daughter's name off the internet now and
女儿的名字从网上抹掉，
she was like what what I'm sorry I
她说什么对不起我
didn't put your daughter's name up the
没有把你女儿的名字贴出来是
police did I said why are you
警察贴出来的我说你他妈的为什么
lying get my daughter's name off
撒谎现在就把我女儿的名字从网上抹掉
the internet
now but by this time my husband Pete
但是 当时我丈夫皮特
must have heard
一定听到了
me screaming and ran in and took the
我的尖叫声，他跑了进来，
phone off me and hung
拿走了我的电话并
up I got a phone call from Alice and she
挂断了电话。我接到了爱丽丝打来的电话，她
said Sarah you have to call her I said
说莎拉，你必须给她打电话，我说
wh and she said Ella you have to call
是的，她说艾拉，你必须给
her and say sure I will phone
她打电话。 说好的我会给
her she answer the phone and she went
她打电话呢，她接了电话，然后说
like hey Sarah how are you and this like
嘿莎拉，你好吗，一副
nonchalant way like nothing happened and
若无其事的样子，好像什么事都没发生过一样，
I say to
我对
her can you please stop the
她说你能不能别再
why you did this that's what I
胡说八道了，你为什么这样做，这就是我
why you did this that's what I
said she know exactly what I'm talking
所说的，她很清楚 我正在
about and she
谈论，她
said it's not me it's saine this blogger
说这不是我，这是这个博主的问题，
I must say I'm very very very tempted to
我必须说，我非常非常想
respond to everything I've heard so far
回应我到目前为止听到的一切，就我而言，
which was shocking in terms of the
这对委员会来说是令人震惊的
commission as far as I'm concerned
because we are here after her children
因为我们在这里，在她的孩子
were taken into care Ella appointed
被送去照顾之后，Ella 任命了
Sabine mcneel an unqualified legal
Sabine mcneel 是一名不合格的法律顾问，
adviser to help with her case and I am
可以帮助她处理案件，我
speaking on behalf of 1,000 children
代表
taken a month in the UK a trained
英国每月被带走的 1,000 名儿童发言，一位受过训练的
computer scientist Sabine had become
计算机科学家 Sabine 一直
obsessed with the idea that social
痴迷于社会
services were stealing
服务机构偷走
children we are here crying for help
儿童的想法，我们在这里大声呼救
孩子们尖叫着想要被听到
if you don't hear those children scream
如果你听不到那些孩子的尖叫声那
who
谁会来呢
will this woman in her 70s was a
这个 70 多岁的女人
stranger to the mums but would become
对这些妈妈来说是个陌生人但却成为了
the key architect in the nightmare ahead
of them but knowing what I know and not
他们面前噩梦的主要策划者但我知道自己所知道的却没有
to act on it would be against my
采取行动 会违背我的
conscience these people don't seem to
良心，这些人似乎
have a conscience that's what's
没有良心，这就是正在
happening that's what we are up against
发生的事情，这就是我们所面临的，
and what did you in those early days
你在早期
come to understand about this figure of
对萨宾·麦克尼尔这个人物有什么了解，
Sabine
McNeil I really can't say what I want to
我真的不能说出我想要的 说
say
Emily
艾米丽
why I find it really difficult to find a
为什么我发现很难找到一个
polite term in which to reference
礼貌的词来指
mcneel I will never get my head
麦克尼尔我永远无法
around how this
理解为什么这个
woman became so
女人在遇到埃拉时会如此
obsessed with our
痴迷于我们的
children when she came across Ella it
孩子，
was kind of gold dust to her I think it
我想这对她来说是一种金粉
completely sort of suited their
完全 这有点符合他们的
narrative the children were crying out
叙述，孩子们哭诉他们遭受的
about this sexual abuse and the children
性虐待，但孩子们的诉求
weren't being being believed Ella
却不被相信，埃拉
provided Sabine with the school class
向萨宾提供了学校班级
lists which she turned into an elaborate
名单，她将其变成了一份详细的
document adding sexual preferences for
文件，为每个孩子添加了性偏好，
each child and sharing it with her
并与她的粉丝分享
followers
worldwide initially our list of names
最初，我们的名单在
came up online and then a few days later
网上出现，几天后，
someone had taken a lot of time to
有人花了很多时间
highlight my daughter room
将我女儿的房间标为
red which
红色，这让人
was quite
很
concerning as she had been
担心，因为她
pinpointed
被
out as being one of the children that
指出是
liked having
喜欢
sex it was an explanation of my
做爱的孩子之一。 解释一下我的
world these kids like to have
世界，这些孩子喜欢
sex and the list of the children
做爱，还有那里的孩子名单，
there and then the second
然后第二
section these kids needed to be dragged
部分，这些孩子需要被拖着
in order to have sex basically
才能做爱，基本上
and I've seen my daughter night there
，我在那里见过我女儿的夜晚
and I remember it's
，我记得
like I I never F like that
就像我一样 从来没有像这样
before hello
你好，
there were a number of phone calls nasty
有好几个电话，
language you know you're doing this
脏话，你知道你在做这个，
you're doing that you're a Satanist
你在做那个，你是撒旦教徒，
you're and killing babies you
你在操弄和杀害婴儿，你
know you're evil you know but I found
知道你是邪恶的，你知道 但我发现
the calls where they said little more
他们在电话中说了更多
[Applause]
[掌声]
scary I got an email
很可怕，我收到一封电子邮件，
from
someone that said that they liked my
有人说 他们喜欢我
daughter's profile on the website where
女儿在网站上的个人资料，
she's highlighted in red and that they
她被用红色突出显示，他们
would like me to bring my daughter and
希望我带我的女儿和
meet up with
them so I was getting emails from
他们见面，所以我收到了
pedophiles believing what they had heard
恋童癖者的电子邮件，相信他们听到的
about my
关于我
daughter I literally ran to the bathroom
女儿的事情，我真的跑到了浴室
and thre up
everywhere
到处都是
I think the lowest point for me was when
我认为我人生最低谷的时候是
my daughter's photo was taken from my
我女儿的照片被从我的
Google
谷歌
account I blame myself so much because I
账户上盗走的时候我非常自责因为我
totally forgot that that count even
完全忘记了这个数字的
existed and a
存在而且我
realization that they know what she
意识到他们知道她
looks
like and my Came Crashing Down because I
长什么样子而我的崩溃了 沮丧，因为我
had nothing left to cling on to at that
当时已经没有什么可以依靠了，
point because I felt all my tools have
因为我觉得我所有的工具都
been removed from me now from completely
被夺走了，不再能完全
keeping us I
保护我们
（音乐）的
safe they need children they need
安全，他们需要孩子，他们需要
children to perpetuate their
孩子来延续他们的
cult The abusers Who satanically
邪教，施虐者们以撒旦的
ritually Abus the
仪式虐待
children and killed and ate babies and
孩子们，杀死并吃掉婴儿，
drunk
喝
blood the police had issued me with a
血，警察给我发出了
panic alarm and we had been advised that
恐慌警报，我们被告知，
we should alter Our Roots to school and
我们应该改变我们的根源到学校，
we deeply feared that having been
我们深深地担心，既然被
alleged to be pedophiles that we would
指控为恋童癖，我们
have pedophile Hunters that would come
会有恋童癖猎人 每天都会
after
追着
us every morning I used to open my front
我们 早上我打开
door and expect to see pedophile sprayed
前门，以为会看到恋童癖者在前面喷上
across the front in
red they're like
红色[音乐]他们就像
organizing in front of your eyes plans
在你眼前组织
of action to save our kids from us they
行动计划以拯救我们的孩子他们
want to K kidnapped
想绑架
them there was a man that said he was a
他们 有一个人说他是一名
van driver and that he has our details
货车司机，他有我们的信息，
he knows where the kids are and he could
他知道孩子们在哪里，他可以
drive up now and come and save
现在就开车过来救
them these are the things I'm reading
他们，这些都是我正在读到的东西
and I'm not reading it going oh it's
，我不会读下去 哦，
okay they don't know where I live cuz
没关系，他们不知道我住在哪里，因为
they
他们
do it's okay they don't know what school
知道，没关系，他们不知道
my child's going to because they
我的孩子上哪所学校，因为他们
do
做
[音乐]，把
and scared the out of me it was
我吓坏了，
like like if I'm walking out here
就像我走路一样
with my kids someone going to try and
有人试图
drag my kid off
把我的孩子从我身边拉开，
me the advice from the police and from
警察和
the school was not to look at this
学校的建议是不要看这个
content there seemed to be this feeling
内容，似乎有这种感觉，
that um it would blow
嗯，它会
over um but it didn't feel like that it
过去，嗯，但感觉并不 就像那样，
it felt that um this was something
感觉嗯，这是一个
bigger it felt like it was something
更大的事情，感觉就像
organized targeting
Us in April 2015 conspiracy theorists
四月份针对我们的有组织的事情 2015 年，阴谋论者
assembled at the high court where Ella's
聚集在高等法院，埃拉
appeal for the custody of her children
对孩子监护权的上诉
was being heard and their videos began
正在审理中，他们的视频开始
to appear on
YouTube Ella gave Sabine the children's
YouTube 上，埃拉向萨宾提供了孩子们的
original police interviews which she
原始警方采访，她将这些采访
illegally uploaded online to keep the
非法上传到网上，让
world talking about the
全世界谈论
case that one action of sine releasing
这个案件 公开录音带的行为只会让
the tapes it just escalated it the video
事情进一步升级，视频
showed the two small children being
显示两个小孩正在接受
interviewed by Child Protection police
儿童保护警察的问询，
officers hi before we start I'd just
在我们开始之前，我
like to tell you everyone who's here and
想告诉大家谁在场，
tell you where we are is that all
我们在哪里，这样可以
right the children confidently repeated
吗 孩子们自信地重复了
the allegations okay so who day so Papa
这些指控，好的，那么谁，所以爸爸
and who else so all all the all the
，还有谁，所以所有所有的
staff all the staff all the parent you
工作人员，所有的工作人员，所有的父母，你
know the parents of all the children
知道，所有孩子的父母，
they all know about it okay GE it
他们都知道这件事，好的，GE，
okay the death threats just started
好的，死亡威胁才刚刚开始
coming and and continued to
来了，而且继续
come the man on a YouTube channel was
来了，YouTube 频道上的一个男人
talking about setting us on fire burning
说要放火烧
us that he should get a gun and just
我们，他应该拿把枪来
come and shoot
射杀
us like oh my God like he's not even
我们，就像天哪，他甚至没有
trying to hide what he wants to do to
试图隐藏他想做什么
us
我们
so this is my children
这是我孩子的
bedroom I couldn't let my children sleep
卧室，我不能让我的孩子
in the room by
独自睡在房间里，
themselves I was scared that someone
我担心有人
will kidnap them or do something really
会绑架他们或对他们做一些非常
bad to
不好的事情，
them so I thought I rather sleep like
所以我想我宁愿睡
that on the floor knowing I'm next to
在地板上，因为我知道我就是下一个 对
them and I can protect
他们来说，我可以保护
them Ella's case in the family courts
他们 [音乐] 艾拉在家庭法庭的案件
concluded and the judge went public with
已经结束，法官公开了
her damning findings Ella and her
她确凿的调查结果 艾拉和她的
boyfriend were behind the children's
男朋友是孩子们
lies the Judgment of notorious high
谎言的幕后黑手 臭名昭著的高等法院
court judge Anna puffle was
法官安娜·普夫的判决是
fraudulent Ella Twisted this verdict to
欺诈性的 艾拉扭曲了这个判决 为了
feed into The Narrative of the
充实阴谋的叙述，
conspiracy the cover up is blatant and
掩盖是明目张胆的，它
is itself yet further
本身就是进一步的
Evidence which most disturbingly gives
证据，最令人不安的是，它让我们
insight into just How Deeply the
了解到，
criminally insane sadis are embedded in
犯罪精神失常的萨迪斯在他们不得不面对的
every British
每一个英国
Authority
当局
[音乐]中根深蒂固。
they're having to come they cover up now
他们现在掩盖事实，
and the public are steing right through
而公众正方便地通过
transpar conveniently this Justice this
透明手段掩盖真相，这位
judge this demonic has claimed
法官，这位恶魔般的妓女声称
that there's no basis to these claims at
这些指控根本没有根据，他们在
all they are
lying can you sell this one for us cuz
撒谎，你能把这个卖给我们吗
the speaker this thing here you see up
发言人，你看到
here yeah so this speak I think there's
这里，是的，所以这个发言我认为还有
another one with the children now in
另一个，现在孩子们在
care they returned to the brightly lit
照顾下，他们回到了灯火通明的
police room and retracted the
警察室，撤回了
allegations I lied about it he made so
我撒谎的指控，
so there's two things so first we see
所以有两件事，所以首先我们 看到
lot so are let me just be clear are
很多所以让我先弄清楚
babies being killed or not so they're
婴儿是否被杀所以他们
not he made me Si who's he who made you
不是他让我Si他是谁让你
SI
SI
abam away from ell and Abraham they
abam远离ell和Abraham他们
appeared comfortable enough to tell the
看起来很舒服地说出
truth so um the stuff that happened in
真相所以嗯发生的事情 在
the church and swim Port school did any
教堂和游泳学校，这些
of that really happen no that was all
事情真的发生过吗？不，那都是
made up it all made up he told me to say
编造的，都是编造的，他让我
that and I said why Abraham that's not
这么说，我说为什么亚伯拉罕，那不是
true though but then he said yes that is
真的，但后来他说是的，那是
true so don't lie say that to the police
真的，所以不要
under the gentle guidance of the police
在警察的温和引导下，
officers they described the real abuse
他们向警察撒谎，描述了
they'd endured I have doctor one of your
他们遭受的真实虐待，医生，你的一只
ears is hurt as well yeah how did that
耳朵也受伤了，是的，那是怎么
happen it's because I he slapped me
发生的，是因为我，他狠狠地打了我一巴掌，
really hard who slept you when did he do
谁睡了你 他什么时候做的
that he slapped me he slapped me as hard
他打了我 他打了我
as he
could Abraham Christie had moved into
亚伯拉罕·克里斯蒂
the family home months before the
在
children's allegations went
孩子们的指控被发布到
online these kids were made to do these
网上的几个月前就搬进了这个家庭的家这些孩子是被
videos by their evil mom and
他们的邪恶妈妈和
boyfriend you must have felt for those
男朋友逼着拍这些视频的当你读到他们所遭受的折磨时你一定对这些孩子感到同情
kids when you read about the torture
that they'd undergone
heartbroken in the days after the
在审判之后的日子里经历了心碎
Judgment secret recordings emerged
秘密录音出现
revealing Abraham's Relentless coercion
揭露了亚伯拉罕
of the
对杀死婴儿的
children who killed the babies
孩子们的无情胁迫
papa papa hold our
爸爸爸爸握住我们的
hand hold
手握住
your yeah we put on our hand he makes
你的是的我们放在我们的手上他让
you put he puts your hand and then he
你放他放你的手然后他
puts his hand on us that'ss up the
放 他把手放在我们身上，
baby's head
off in the safety of the police
在安全的警察
interview room Abigail can be seen to
审讯室里，可以看到阿比盖尔
speak candidly about Abraham yeah this
坦率地谈论亚伯拉罕，是
is I think this is what he does he
的，我认为这就是他所做的，他
believes in lies yeah not in truth he
相信谎言，是的，他不相信真相
doesn't believe in truth just lies okay
不相信真理只是谎言好吧
when he is holding them to kill the baby
当他抱着他们用刀杀死婴儿的时候
with the knife what about the rest of
the people what do they say tell me how
人他们说什么告诉我
they say
他们是怎么说的
it say it say it how they say it
说说他们是怎么说的
say like that I really distinctly
说说我真的很清楚 我
remember being really shocked that he'd
记得当时真的很震惊，他
actually physically Abus them to the
居然真的 虐待他们到
level that he did in order for them to
他所做的程度，为了让他们
make those videos what did they say the
制作这些视频，他们说了什么，
the Baby K the baby
婴儿K，
bab the let's head together let's head
婴儿宝宝，让我们一起去，让我们
together kill the baby the baby kill the
一起去，杀死婴儿，婴儿，杀死婴儿，
baby kill the baby thank you I just
杀死婴儿，谢谢，我只
remember
记得 我
feeling so sorry that Abigail and Joseph
很抱歉阿比盖尔和约瑟夫
had had to go through
不得不经历
that why do your mom let this happen why
这些，为什么你的妈妈会让这种事情发生，
do you think your mom's let my mom
你认为你妈妈为什么会让这样的事情发生，我妈妈
believes because she believes in lies
相信，因为她也相信谎言，
too like and where was she when he
就像当他踢你的时候她在哪里，
kicked you she was just they got in
她只是他们得到了 在
front of Abraham okay why do you think
亚伯拉罕面前，你为什么认为
she let him do it did she try and stop
她让他这么做，她有没有试过阻止，
it or no she never done that never why
或者没有，她从来没有这样做过，从来没有，为什么
ever she'll never do that why not no
她永远不会这样做，为什么不，
because one it's because she loves him
因为一是因为她太爱他了，是的，
so much
yeah even with the children stating
即使有 孩子们
clearly and repeatedly in the police
在警方的审讯中反复明确表示
interviews that it was a lie Ella stuck
这是一个谎言，艾拉坚持
to her story We appeal to everyone
她的故事，我们呼吁所有
concerned with such such a horrific
关注这一可怕
situation to start acting to put an end
情况的人开始行动起来，制止
to these atrocities happening in our
这种暴行发生在我们的
society fearing arrest she and Abraham
社会上，她和亚伯拉罕担心被捕
fled the country and continued to
逃离该国，并
promote the hoax in
在流亡期间继续宣传骗局
exile for any normal person a high court
对于任何正常人来说都是一个高等法院
judge putting out the truth of the
法官揭露事情的真相
matter should have stopped this in its
应该可以阻止这件事的
tracks but for these people who came
发生，但对于那些
with expressed belief that this was a
认为这是一个阴谋的人来说，
conspiracy this was a cover up um it
这是一个掩盖事实的阴谋，
actually faned the
事实上，
flames in the days after the high court
在高等法院判决后的几天里，
judgment things escalated people who
事情变得更加严重
believed the allegations began arriving
相信这些指控的人开始抵
in Hamstead what are you doing why are
达哈姆斯特德你在做什么你为什么要
you taking pictures well I'm allowed to
拍照好吧我可以
the free words why are you eating babies
自由地说你为什么要吃婴儿
H why you eating babies babies oh
H你为什么要吃婴儿婴儿哦
yeah you're laugh you laugh it's all
是的你在笑你笑一切都
over the net isn't it it's all over the
结束了 网上不是吗它遍布网络
net
[音乐]是
yeah how did it feel as Elizabeth's mom
的，作为伊丽莎白的妈妈，当
knowing that these people were all
得知这些人都
coming to your to your area to protest
来你所在的地区抗议时，她感觉如何？
petrifying
petrifying because if they're coming to
吓得要死，因为如果他们来
do a protest where else are they coming
抗议，他们还会去哪里 他们来了，
whose houses are they coming to
他们要来谁的房子，
petrifying cuz it's not in your little
吓人，因为这不在你的小
Allison Wonderland world now where it's
艾莉森仙境世界里，现在那里
all Make Believe on the
都是网络上的虚构，
Internet it's real it's on your doorstep
这是真的，就在你家门口，
these people are
这些人在这里
here the church
这里是教堂
the
victoro if they don't allow the gender
维克托 如果他们不允许性别
populist to express themselves via
民粹主义者通过合法渠道表达自己的想法，
legitimate channels the people will take
人们就会走上
to the
streets hello Internet for the past week
街头你好互联网过去一周
I've avoided clicking on this story as
我一直避免点击这个故事，因为
I've seen it while scrolling through my
我是在浏览我的
Facebook feed what is going on why are
Facebook 信息时看到的什么是 发生了什么，为什么会发生
the why is this happening furthermore
这种事，此外，
why aren't we kicking down the doors to
为什么我们不去
the schools the
学校和
churches days after the high court judge
教堂，在高等法院法官
claimed anyone who pushed the hoax was
声称任何传播这个骗局的人都是
evil or foolish the conspiracy theorists
邪恶或愚蠢的几天后，阴谋论者
reacted
做出了
furiously baby eaters who cut off
愤怒的反应，食婴者切断了
children the baby head and them and
孩子们的婴儿头，操他们，
murder them
杀了他们，
you there were a group of 20 to 30
有一群20到30
people who every Sunday morning would
人，每个星期天早上都会
come and stand outside the church and H
来，站在教堂外面，
abuse at the parishioners listen to the
辱骂教区居民，听
children don't tell the children to shut
孩子们说话，不要让孩子们
up listen to the children Hamstead
闭嘴 听听孩子们的话 Hamstead
Christ
church.com Hamstead Christ
Christ church.com Hamstead Christ
church.com have you heard
church.com 你听说过
Satan your church you're involved in it
撒旦吗你的教会你参与其中
aren you kids mate have you heard you
你不是孩子伙伴你听说过你
agree on it stop killing the babies
同意吗停止杀死婴儿
Satan stop killing babies yeah you
撒旦停止杀死婴儿是的你
Lucifer she got a smile on her face stop
路西法她得到了 她脸上带着微笑 停止
killing bab smile on her face you like
杀戮 宝贝 她脸上带着微笑 你喜欢
you like children I want Satanist on
你喜欢 孩子们，我希望这个星球上有撒旦教徒，
this planet no the conspiracy theorists
不，阴谋论者的
online videos became more threatening
在线视频变得更具威胁性，
this is this is what everybody is
这就是每个人都
missing is a little bit of
缺少的，就是一点
muscle okay you can't put yourself out
肌肉，好吧，如果你背后没有一点肌肉，你就无法把自己放在
there without a little bit of
那里
muscle behind
[音乐 ]
you oh would like to remind everyone
你哦想提醒大家，
that all the children from the so-called
所有来自所谓
special families all the teachers and a
特殊家庭的孩子，所有的老师和
lot of the parents have devil tattoos on
很多家长在
their private parts so in the initial
他们的私处都有魔鬼纹身，所以在最初的
allegations it was said that all members
指控中，据说
of The Cult have genital tattoos and
邪教的所有成员都有 生殖器纹身，
this became quite an exciting topic for
这对许多人来说是一个相当令人兴奋的话题，
a number of these people if the
如果
children's description of your
孩子们对
distinguishing marks on your penda it's
你阴茎上的显著标记的描述是
full his FS then come come forward and
完整的，那么就来接受
be checked
by by the doctors so anybody would do
医生的检查，所以任何人都会这样做，
that particularly if they were
特别是如果他们
innocent the police and there was lots
警方无罪，有
of comment about lynch mobs coming to
很多评论说私刑暴徒
find us and and check us out it felt
来找我们，检查我们，感觉
like the sort of the modern world and
就像现代世界和
the internet meets the sort of medieval
互联网遇到了中世纪的
Witch
猎巫
Hunt
行动，
the police had been struggling to
警方一直在努力
find a charge that they could
寻找一个指控 他们
use they pretty much admitted that it
几乎承认这
was beyond their knowledge and that the
超出了他们的知识范围，而且
law didn't really exist to keep up with
法律实际上并不存在，无法跟上
internet crimes of this
这种性质的网络犯罪，
nature they were out of their
他们不知所措，
depth it was very
clear really early on that the police
很早就很明显，警方
thought this was going to go away so
认为这种犯罪会消失，所以
they weren't really interested so what
他们并不感兴趣，那么他们有什么
option does that leave
选择呢 离开
you you're on your
你，你自己一个
own this left us so low uh about what
人，这让我们很沮丧，呃，
you know what what do we
你知道我们该怎么
办，
the police kept telling us that we would
警察一直告诉我们，我们
never get the CPS to back a charge of
永远不会让 CPS 支持
harassment and we just felt that that
骚扰指控，我们只是觉得
was
unacceptable I think it was at that
不可接受的，我想就是在那个
point that we realized that we needed to
时候，我们意识到我们需要
continue to
继续
fight
战斗。
church.com I'm not a victim I never have
我不是受害者，我从来都不
been and way to fight back is to be
是，反击的方式是
online and you need to be in their world
上网，你需要进入他们的世界，
and down their Rabbit Hole Alice went
进入他们的兔子洞爱丽丝在
undercover online creating numerous
网上秘密创建了众多分身
Alter Egos and spending hours a day
，每天花费数小时
infiltrating conspiracy theory groups
渗透阴谋论团体
you need to start learning to think how
你需要开始学习思考
they think set up accounts to watch them
他们的想法建立账户来观察他们
have accounts where they're my
拥有他们是我的
friends she joined forces with a group
朋友的账户她和一个 一群
of people questioning the hoax together
质疑骗局的人一起
they started a Blog dedicated to
创建了一个致力于
exposing the
揭露
lies there was another group that were
谎言的博客，还有另一个
fighting back they were really standing
他们真的在为每
up for everyone that had been alleged to
一个被指控为
be
abusers in the depths of depression that
虐待者的人挺身而出，他们深陷抑郁，
felt there was some
感到有些
hope this is just one of the files which
希望，这只是其中一个文件，
is an example of the level of harassment
是骚扰程度的一个例子
that we were receiving and the
。 我们收到的
screenshots that um that I printed
截图，我打印
out the moms believed 18 separate laws
出来，妈妈们认为有 18 项单独的法律
had been broken but the authorities
被违反，但当局
informed them there was no public
告诉他们，
interest in Prosecuting their case my
起诉他们的案件不符合公众利益，我的
goal was to get as much on all of these
目标是尽可能多地了解这些
people as
人的情况，
possible and get as much evidence and
收集尽可能多的证据，
let the other parents know what's going
让其他家长知道发生了什么事，
going on by day the moms were working
白天妈妈们都在工作，
but by Night fueled by the information
但到了晚上，在
fed to them by Alice and her online
爱丽丝和她的在线
group they became their own crack team
小组提供的信息的推动下，他们成为了自己的侦探精锐团队，
of detectives mapping the conspiracy
绘制了阴谋
Network pushing the
网络，推动
lies there were people that were
谎言，有人
prolific in what was happening what was
coming onto the internet what was being
在互联网上大量传播正在发生的事情，有人在
organized
组织这些事情，
and I guess it was a case of being able
我想这是一个
to collect the evidence and prove to the
能够收集证据并向
police that this was an organized
警方证明这是一场有组织的
campaign and beg them to do something
活动的案例， 求他们
about it I mean we were drowning in
做点什么，我的意思是我们被
material the stories we hear from David
物质淹没了 我们从大卫·
Ike and Alex Jones have to do with human
艾克和亚历克斯·琼斯那里听到的故事与活人
sacrifice and child rape we've seen
献祭和强奸儿童有关，我们见过
brave people I first became aware of
勇敢的人，我第一次知道
rert Wilson
威尔逊是
quaintance by his own videos that he was
因为他自己
posting why aren't we kicking down the
发布的视频，为什么我们不踢
doors to the schools the churches if
开门 学校、教堂，如果
nobody else wants to do it I'll go do it
没有人愿意做，我就自己去做，
I'll go over there myself give me a team
我会亲自去那里给我一个团队，
of people anybody let's just ride over
任何人，我们都可以骑马
to Hempstead and kick down doors and get
去汉普斯特德，踢开门，取
some blood samples and try to find out
一些血样，试着找到
if what these kids are saying is true
如果这些孩子说的是真的，
there he is on his vide saying he's
他在视频中说他
going to come to the UK kick down our
要来英国，踢开我们的
doors and take blood samples from
门，抽取
us so scary yeah worrying yeah I've seen
我们的血样，这太可怕了，是的，令人担忧，是的，我看到
these British dudes try to
这些英国人试图
arrest people I I'll box their
逮捕人 我会狠狠地打他们
ears I'm small but I'm Scrappy
耳光，我个子小，但我很勇敢
ears I'm small but I'm Scrappy
and I don't go down easy you can't
，我不会轻易屈服，你不能
with me you can't with
跟我混在一起，你不能跟
me in 2016 rert created a fundraising
我混在一起，2016 年 rert
page for his trip to London to
为他的旅行创建了一个筹款页面 去伦敦调查
investigate the
cult he claimed to have raised thousands
邪教组织，他声称已经筹集了数千
of dollars I like it the way it's coming
美元，我喜欢它 它
into you 20 bucks 100 bucks 50 bucks
进入你的方式 20 美元 100 美元 50 美元
every person that invests in that
每个人都投资于
they're investing in the children in my
他们投资于孩子在我
opinion you don't need 2,000 it wasn't
看来你不需要 2,000 这
just outlandish videos rert was creating
不仅仅是 rert
in
2016 he detailed exactly how he was
2016 年制作的古怪视频他详细说明了如何 他
going to confront the people in the
要去面对故事中的人，
story I Was preparing for him to come so
我正在为他的到来做准备，所以
I
我
was putting
把
dumbbells in my bag to to make it
哑铃放在我的包里，让它
heavier if I seeing I'm outside school
更重，如果我看到我在学校外面，
being their
受到他们的
threats I will
威胁，我会
act what do you mean you will act I will
采取行动，你是什么意思 我
take him
会把他
down I've already started planning
打倒我已经开始计划
everything I've started talking to
一切我已经开始和
people about where certain stuff will be
人们谈论某些东西会被
stashed and what I'm getting rid of and
藏在哪里以及我要扔掉什么以及
all that Rupert's videos were becoming
鲁珀特的所有视频
more intimidating if you stick your head
如果你把头伸到上面就会变得更加吓人
above the parit and say I'm going to
help they will come after you what are
他们会来找你，
they but what are they going to do what
但是他们会做什么，他们会做什么，
are they going to do though if they
但是如果他们
don't have guns they're going to have a
没有枪，他们将
hard time arresting
很难被逮捕
me furthermore why aren't we kicking
我此外，为什么我们
down the doors to the schools the
不去学校和
churches if nobody else wants to do it
教堂，如果没有人愿意做，
I'll go do it I'll go over there myself
我会去做，我会亲自去那里，
give me a team of people anybody 18
给我一个团队，任何人在 18 个
months after the videos were released
月后 视频被发布
rert Wilson quaintance an American
后，威尔逊认识的一位
living more than 3,000 M away claimed to
住在 3000 多米外的美国人声称
have raised thousands of dollars to
已经筹集了数千美元来
investigate the satanic cult operating
调查在小学外活动的撒旦邪教，
out of the primary
school he is raising money to get here
他筹集资金是为了来到这里
to kick our doors down and take our kids
踢开我们的门，把我们孩子的
blood to see if we were drugging our
血带到 看看我们是否给孩子下了药，
children say became quickly a
说很快就成了
frat so became quickly a
兄弟会，所以很快就成了
friend in September 2016 rert boarded a
朋友。2016 年 9 月，他登上
plane and arrived in
飞机，抵达
London as he became my friend on social
伦敦，他在社交媒体上成了我的朋友，
media I was able to watch every single
我可以看到
thing he
did the minute he landed in the UK rer
他一落地所做的每一件事 在英国，一名男子
arrived at the gates of the primary
school on the first day of term claiming
在开学第一天来到小学门口，声称
to have a knife in his
口袋里有一把刀，他
pocket not a faceless Anonymous internet
不是匿名网络
Warrior but a real person he's gotten on
战士，而是一个真实的人，他把这个人带上
a plane for the sole purpose of coming
飞机，唯一的目的是
to investigate whether we're satanically
调查 我们是恶魔
sexually abusing our
性虐待我们的
children but then the next video is him
孩子，但接下来的视频是他
standing in front of the primary school
站在小学前面
and he's
，他就
there are we dealing with our worst
在那里，我们是否正在应对我们最可怕的
nightmare are we finally going to have
噩梦，我们是否最终要
to deal with the person that is crazy
处理一个疯狂到
enough to come and be
会
violent what's your thinking at this
施暴的人，你的 想到这里
I'm going to na
我要去他妈的
you that's
你这就是
it that is it you want to come to my
它就是这样你想来我
house kick my door down take my blood
家踢开我的门抽我的血祝你
good luck with that but first of all I
好运但首先我
need to know where you are cuz you are
需要知道你在哪里因为你
getting
arrested cuz this is not a game it's my
被捕了，因为这不是游戏，这是我的
life Alice and her online group tracked
生活爱丽丝和她的在线小组
rert down to an address in South London
追踪到伦敦南部的一个地址，
which they sent to the police
他们把这个地址发给了警方，然后
and he was arrested so this is September
他被捕了，所以
that you're arrested I think the
你被捕的时间是九月，我想是
13th and one of the one of the things
13 号， 让
that scared me was because these
我害怕的事情之一是，这些
children had said police were involved
孩子说警察参与
了
this when I was handcuffed that
这件事，当我被戴上手铐时，
terrified me to death I didn't know
我吓坏了，我不知道
where they were taking me and I didn't
他们要把我带到哪里，也不
know who they were you said that what
知道他们是谁 说
you were going to do was kick down doors
你要做的就是踢开门，
and take blood oh
然后流血哦
yeah that's what I said it's not what I
是的，这就是我所说的，这不是我的意思，
I didn't mean that literally like I said
我不是那个意思，就像我说的，
I meant have a forensic investigation
我的意思是进行法医调查，
and be serious about it that's what I
并认真对待这件事，我
should have
应该
said you came over to the UK to come and
说你来英国是为了
find out about this thing and I guess
了解这件事， 我想
I'm just trying to understand what your
我只是想了解你这样
motivation is to have done that I wanted
做的动机是什么，我想
to verify that this was a physical
actual place with my own eyes that is it
用自己的眼睛验证这是一个真实存在的地方，
what would that have proved to
这样能证明
you what do you mean why did you want to
什么，你为什么想要
just find out if it was a real
只是为了弄清楚它是否是一个真实的
place well why does anybody go see the
地方，那么为什么有人会去看
Leaning Tower of Pisa so it was it was a
比萨斜塔呢？所以它是一个
tourist destination yeah yeah totally
旅游胜地，是的，完全就是
that's where this went down I mean this
那样，我的意思是，这
is
like it's demented it's weird but you
就像疯了一样，很奇怪，但你
know it's not like going to graceand and
知道这是 不像去格雷斯安德
learn how Elvis lived because you set
了解埃尔维斯的生活，因为你把
yourself up as an investigative
自己定位为一名调查
journalist so I'm just interested in the
记者，所以我只对
in the kind of Journalism but but
新闻感兴趣，但
actually it sounds like it's
实际上这听起来像是
tourism that's a hell of an accusation
旅游业，这是一个可怕的指控，
what are you doing here you're all the
你在做什么 你们都
way over here doing the same thing I did
在这里做同样的事情 我
only you're doing it in the safety and
只是在
comfort of a place that doesn't lock you
一个安全舒适的地方这样做，不会
up for speaking your
因为说出自己的想法而把你关起来，
mind yeah I don't think you that's not
是的，我不认为你这样做
nice coming forward telling their
不好，因为根据收集的大量证据，站出来讲述他们的
story based on the mountains of evidence
故事
gathered by the mums Rupert was found
妈妈鲁珀特被判
guilty of harassment and he was
犯有骚扰罪，他被
sentenced to 9 months in
判处 9 个月监禁
prison how was prison
监狱怎么样监狱很
it's
prison it's
terrifying some of the things you hear I
可怕你听到的一些事情我的
mean have you ever heard a
意思是你有没有听过一个
man screaming in
男人在
Terror into an echoey
回声
Victorian prison
维多利亚监狱的
Wing but the first thing I thought when
侧楼里恐怖地尖叫，但第一个 我想到的是，当
when the you know when the door slammed
你知道当门砰地关
shut it's like those people were doing
上的时候，就像那些人在做
that these children were having
那些事一样，这些孩子遇到了
problems and the mother asked them the
问题，母亲问他们
problem was and when they told her what
问题是什么，当他们告诉她
the problem I've met the moms who were
问题是什么时，我遇到了那些妈妈
the victims in your case and they're
你案件中的受害者，他们
just like normal people they seemed like
就像普通人一样，在我看来，他们也完全是
that to me as
那样，
well completely all the ones that I saw
in court yeah I felt bad about it when
在法庭上看到的所有人，是的，当他们说那些话时，我感到很难过，是的，
if when they were saying the things that
they said yeah of course I felt bad
当然 我对此感到难过，
about it but I don't know
但我不知道
them there was never h how can you say
他们从来没有 你能说
I'm targeting you if I don't use your
我在针对你吗如果我不使用你的
name you are volunteering yourself to
名字你就是在自愿
feel
感到
frightened the most embarrassing and
害怕
awful thing for me in all of this would
对我来说，这一切中最尴尬、最糟糕的事情
have been to be completely ignored and
就是被完全忽视，而
that's exactly what they should have
这正是他们应该做的
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done it was just Relentless you know it
完成了，只是无情的，你知道这
was just firefighting the whole time and
只是整个时间的救火，有点
it's a bit like the adrenaline keeps you
像肾上腺素让你继续
going you're getting very little sleep
前进，你多年来睡得很少
for years and sometimes just having a
，有时只是
couple of hours Kip on the
几个小时在沙发上基普
sofa probably looking at too much if I'm
可能看着 说
honest and that was that was healthy for
实话，这对我来说是件好事，
me
really I went from being really really
我从非常非常善于
sociable to not engaging and only
交际变成了不参与，只
talking about this that was as far if
谈论这件事，如果
you weren't engaging with me with what
你不和我讨论
was going on with this I just wouldn't
这件事发生了什么 我只是不想
bother I
打扰我
obsessive obsessed with just stopping
痴迷于停止
it was it ever an option for you to
你有没有选择
close the computer and walk away and not
关闭电脑然后走开而不是
and not look at it
不去看这
all
一切
no no I'm I'm people may question that
不不不我是我是人 可能会质疑
people may feel that that you know would
人们可能会觉得你知道
have been the thing to do but there was
会有 是应该做的事，但
a risk there was a palpable
风险是显而易见的
risk and the only way that we could keep
，我们唯一能
on top of that risk was to keep looking
控制风险的方法就是不断观察
and to keep watching the internet to see
，不断关注互联网，看看
what people were saying because if we
人们在说什么，因为如果我们
weren't watching nobody else
不 看着没有其他人，
was so guys we're really happy to have
所以伙计们，我们真的很高兴有
you um Ella and Abraham thanks for
你，嗯，埃拉和亚伯拉罕，感谢你们
joining us and to start can you tell us
加入我们，首先你能告诉我们
all how you're doing and what's going on
你们的情况和正在发生的事情吗，
we're fine we're fighting for the
我们很好，我们正在为
children and we're learning new
孩子们而战 我们每天都在学习新的
information every
信息，
day Abraham and Ella living in hiding in
躲藏在西班牙的亚伯拉罕和艾拉
Spain continued to Post online about the
继续在网上发布有关
case and promoted their campaign to
此案的信息，并宣传他们
regain custody of the children and the
重新获得孩子监护权的活动，而
sh wife s beine has so much Cloud so un
她的妻子的 beine 有那么多的云，所以她
concerned because she shines a light on
不在乎，因为她闪耀
the child snatching of the institutional
揭开机构
life's child sashing that's right
生活中儿童绑架的真相，没错，
because they need children they need
因为他们需要孩子，他们需要
children to Main Ed to to continue to
孩子去接受主要教育，为了继续
perpetuate their cult the CPS had
延续他们的邪教，CPS
decided not to prosecute Sabine even
决定不起诉 Sabine，
though she was continuing to push the
尽管她继续
hoax in her online
在她的学校里传播这种骗局
videos I mean let's face it if they were
我的意思是，让我们面对现实吧，如果它们是 他们
ever so innocent they wouldn't have to
太无辜了，他们不应该
do what they are doing right no it's
做他们正在做的事情，不是
it's this is what I'm saying everything
吗，这就是我要说的，
they're doing is giving us more evidence
他们所做的一切都是为了给我们提供更多的证据，
well and and for in my view the cover up
在我看来，掩盖
is is sort of evidence as well every
也是一种证据 以及每一个
effect action of cover up it
有效的掩盖行动都
corroborates the original crimes that's
证实了最初的罪行，这就是
what
I Sabine was using her platform in the
我萨宾利用她在
EU and through multiple websites to push
欧盟的平台和通过多个网站来宣传
herself as a respectable figure so
自己是一个受人尊敬的人物，所以
mcneel has no empathy
麦克尼尔没有同情心
or any kind of
或任何
emotion what I know to anyone but
情感，据我所知 但
herself these people don't seem to have
她自己这些人似乎没有
she is a
她是一个
miserable
悲惨的
adult that live in a fantasy
成年人，生活在一个幻想
land she thought that hamsted
世界里她认为哈姆斯特德的
families will be too
家庭会
scared to go against her she actually
害怕违背她她实际上
thought we be too
认为我们太
scared but knew the only way to stop
害怕了，但知道阻止它的唯一方法是
it it's to stop
阻止
her never ever
她永远不要
underestimate the other
低估
side the moms were tracking sabin's
另一方妈妈们一直在追踪萨宾的
every move using the victim's right to
一举一动，利用受害者的
review they demanded the CPS reopen
审查权，他们要求CPS重新审理
their case and the decision was made to
他们的案件，并决定
prosecute yeah I've got a friend's
起诉是的，我收到了萨宾的朋友的
request from Sabine so I'm in her
请求，所以我 在她的
Facebook now oh well done she added me
Facebook 上 现在哦，干得好，她加了我，
this is the joys about nut jobs right
这就是疯狂工作的乐趣，
the first thing I did this morning was
今天早上我做的第一件事就是
wake up and go oh I've got a new
醒来，然后说哦，我有了一个新
friend and she is blogging the hamster
朋友，她正在写仓鼠的博客，
like like this is Sabine yeah like
就像这是萨宾，是的，就像
like like this is Sabine yeah like
nobody's business Sabine continued to
没有人的 商业萨宾继续
release provocative videos we should
发布挑衅性视频我们应该
find Good Guys in the police who would
在警察中找到
be willing to go over and kidnapping
愿意去绑架的好人
quotes the children back to the to back
引用孩子们回到
again out of the out of the hands of the
再回到坏人的手中
bad
guys why is it you felt so compelled to
你为什么感觉如此 被迫为
act on behalf of those children it must
那些孩子采取行动，这
have been a difficult experience to
对艾米丽来说一定是一段艰难的经历，
Emily when you when you when somebody
当你当你当有人
cries for help and it's nearly sinking
呼救，而它几乎要沉下去的
then you give them you try to get them
时候，你给他们，你试图把他们
out of wherever they're in don't
从他们在的地方救出来，
you can you describe what Satanic ritual
不是吗 你能向
abuse is for someone that doesn't
那些不
understand that
理解这个
term I can only go or I can by what the
术语的人解释一下撒旦仪式虐待是什么吗？我只能通过
children described both together and
孩子们一起和
independently of each other and that to
独立描述的来解释，这对
me was great
我来说是很好的
validation I mean just crimes against
验证，我的意思是针对
children abuse sexual abuse and the big
虐待儿童的犯罪 性虐待，
thing
about the hamster children is that for
仓鼠孩子最大的特点是第
the first
time there were children who reported Ed
一次 有孩子举报过 Ed，
until until then it had only been adult
直到那时，只有成年
survivors when I came into the case
幸存者，当我
which was in 2018 this had already been
在 2018 年接手这个案件时，这种情况已经
going on for 3 four years and so I
持续了三四年，所以我
wasn't as immersed in the the day-to-day
并没有沉浸在日常生活中。 每天
horror of it as the mothers they'd sort
最可怕的事情就是，这些母亲们
of gone down this rabbit hole and were
掉进了兔子洞，
trying to claw their way out did that
试图爬出来，这
make them quite an unusual set of
使得她们成为了一群非常不寻常的
victims to work with in a way you didn't
受害者，你
really want to call them victims
真的不想这样称呼她们 受害者，
although they were they were they were
尽管他们是，他们是，他们是
tough they were that Warriors is the
坚强的，他们是，
word I've used videos were being
我用过的词是“勇士”，视频被
uploaded where Sabine was cementing her
上传，萨宾正在巩固她的
plans to keep pushing the hoax you have
计划，继续推动骗局，你
to decide Moment by moment is this the
必须时时刻刻决定，现在是
moment to walk away or is this the
离开的时候还是 现在是不是该
moment to stand good point good point
站出来表明立场了，
you're are really really really really
你真的真的真的真的很
wise Angie well that means reopening my
聪明，安吉，这意味着我要重新开放我的
blogs
博客了，
again in 2016 a judge looking into the
2016年，一位调查
hamster case handed Sabine a restraining
仓鼠案的法官给了萨宾一张限制
order this was a stalking case so
令，这是一起跟踪案，所以
unusual the judge was so appalled by her
法官很不寻常 对她的
behavior and the behavior of others that
行为感到震惊， 其他人的行为，
he imposed a restraining order
他实施了限制令，
effectively don't do this and if you do
实际上不要这样做，如果你
it you stand a very good chance of going
这样做，你很有可能
to jail within 7 to 10 days Sabine
在 7 到 10 天内入狱 Sabine
mcneel had breached it she lived this
mcneel 违反了它，她活在这个
case she just wouldn't
案子里，她只是不会
stop inter I
停止我
need after multiple arrests and breaches
需要多次逮捕和违反
of her restraining order against the
对
moms Sabine mcneel was convicted and
妈妈的限制令后萨宾麦克尼尔被判有罪并被
named by the judge as the UK's worst
法官称为英国最坏的
troll I think the long prison sentence
巨魔我认为长期监禁
definitely a big message sent to these
绝对是一个重要的信息 对那些
people how did that feel when she got
人来说，当她到了那里时感觉如何，
there she deserved
她活该，
it this was a huge sentence for someone
对于她这个年纪的人来说，这是一个很重的刑罚，因为
of her age with her background on an
她曾
offense of stalking but this had to be
被控跟踪，但这件事必须
dealt with as severely as some of the
像一些
work sorts of physical abuse because
工作中的体罚一样严厉处理 虐待，因为对
emotional abuse of those those moms was
那些母亲的精神虐待是
horrendous it was quite something to
可怕的，
actually hear the words that she'd been
听到她被判有罪的消息真的是
found guilty it was an immense
一件很了不起的事情，这是一个巨大的
Landmark because it
里程碑，因为
took it took a
需要付出
lot of hard
很多努力、
work
an emotion and effort and fighting to
情感和努力，甚至需要斗争才能
even get her to that point of being in
得到 她 到了那个时候在
court so that was a really powerful
法庭上，那是一个非常有力的
moment you okay
时刻，你好，嗯
mhm stop
，停下来，
no it's taken eight
不，花了八年的
years to to talk or to get upset or yeah
时间才开口说话，或者生气，或者
supposed to get upset you know I don't I
应该生气，你知道我不知道，我
I think you know I just
想你知道我只是
um I just get on with
嗯我 继续做
it I've always just got on with it I
下去，我一直都在继续做下去，我
think it's probably quite cathartic to
认为
sort of Let It
Go in a landmark conviction on the
strength of the mom's evidence Sabine
母亲提供的证据的有力支持下，在具有里程碑意义的判决中，放手可能是一种宣泄，萨宾
was sentenced to 9 years in prison of
被判处 9 年监禁，其中
which she served
服刑
four do you accept the verdict that was
4 年 你接受给
given to
you I didn't accept any of the charges I
你的判决吗？我没有接受任何指控我
didn't accept the verdict I didn't I
没有接受判决我
cannot accept the verdict I and if if
不能接受判决如果
no I all I can do is
没有我所能做的就是
suffer suffer it like Jesus Christ
忍受痛苦 耶稣基督
did four of the 175 named
做了 175 名被点名的滥用者法案中的四个人，他们是被
abusers Act acted as the victims of
being harassed by my campaign even
我的竞选活动骚扰的受害者，
though I never never ever contacted
尽管我从来没有亲自联系过
anybody
任何人，
personally if and I don't know who did
我不知道是谁
did I I just published what I
做的，我只是发表了我
published and I never take any
发表的内容，我从来没有采取任何行动
responsibility for them having been
对他们四次受到骚扰负有责任
harassed for the four
mother not exactly without their
母亲并不完全没有
innocence being established wouldn't
确定他们的清白，
that be nice if somebody had first of
如果有人
all checked whether the the the
首先检查一下
accusations of the
孩子们的指控，
children whether they had wouldn't it be
如果他们首先
nice if that had been taken seriously
认真对待这些指控，那不是很好吗？
first
in terms of my mental health I think
我认为我的心理健康
there's some deep harm
受到了深深的伤害，因为我长期
there to be exposed to that level of
暴露在这种
evil quite frankly relentlessly I
邪恶的环境中，坦率地说，我
certainly feel I've been affected by
确实觉得自己受到了影响，
that it's taken some years to get a bit
我花了几年的时间才让
of Peace back into my life it's affected
生活恢复平静，这影响了
my
我的
belief um in goodness in the world and
信仰 嗯，世界上有美好的事物，
then I think now I'm a bit of a recluse
然后我觉得现在我有点孤僻，
to be
honest
说实话，
from who I was the day before this
这件事发生前一天的
happened to I was the day that this
我和这件事
happened are two completely different
发生那天的我完全是两个不同的
people I've never gone back to who I was
人 我再也没有回到
before
以前的状态了
this as a married
作为一对已婚
couple I was not sleeping in our bedroom
夫妇，我没有睡在我们的卧室，
I was sleeping the kids
我睡在孩子们的
floor so you kind of neglected your
地板上，所以你有点忽视了你的
marriage yeah in a way yes I did did my
婚姻，是的，在某种程度上，是的，我的
[音乐]花了多少
cost if you look backwards you can see
钱 你回头看看你就能明白
how it's effective in any way tell me
它是如何有效的，告诉我
cuz he was not relevant anymore as
因为他已经不再重要了
well so what impact does this had on
那么这对你的生活有什么影响呢？
your life this cas Cas you wake up and
你醒来后
you realize you're not yourself
发现你不再是你自己了
anymore so the four mothers at the
所以中心的四位母亲
center who brought the charges against
you
你们在
they were named as abusers and their
children were named and their children
were named as having liked sex and been
part of sex acts as being part of the
cult on a list that you published and
你们发布的名单上将他们列为施虐者，将他们的孩子列为喜欢性行为、参与性行为的邪教成员，并且
they were contacted themselves by
他们自己也接到了
pedophiles who wanted to meet them they
想与他们见面的恋童癖者的联系 他们
were sent photos of guns people would
收到了枪支的照片，人们会
knock on their door to try and find them
敲他们的门试图找到它们，
sorry I can't I can't cope with that I
对不起，我不能，我不能接受，我
can't I can't tell me why can't you cope
不能，我不能告诉我为什么你不能接受，
with that cuz they had to live with that
因为他们有 承受这样的
the consequences of that
后果，
their children's lives were changed
他们孩子的生活被永远改变了，
Forever by the publishing of their
因为他们的
details and their materials I think
详细信息和材料的公布，我认为
their lives were changed forever through
他们的生活已经因为他们之前的虐待而永远改变了，
their abuse
beforehand but they aren't child abusers
但她们不是虐待儿童者，
these moms they're L they are oh yes
这些妈妈，她们是 L，她们是哦 是的，
what makes you think that I've spent
你怎么会认为我花了
some time spent a lot of time with them
很多时间和他们在一起，
getting to know them and learn their
了解他们， 了解他们的
stories yeah I see what how do you know
故事，是的，我明白了，你怎么知道
that they're child abuses how have you
他们是虐待儿童，
how have you established
你怎么确定的
that no I have not I have not but you
，没有，我没有，但是你
just said to me they are child abusers
刚才对我说，他们是虐待儿童者，
well they were named that was all not
他们被点名了，但事实并非如此
but not by me no by two children who'd
但不是我，不是两个孩子，
been tortured themselves into making
他们自己被
these allegations by a man called
一个叫亚伯拉罕·克里斯蒂的人折磨，才做出这些指控。20
Abraham Christie who in the 1990s abused
世纪 90 年代，克里斯蒂虐待
other children into making allegations
其他孩子，让他们指控
against their own father the children
自己的父亲。孩子们
themselves said that this never happened
自己说，这种事从来没有发生过
the the I'm sorry Emily I'm sorry
。 对不起艾米丽，对不起
Emily why are you sorry I can't cope
艾米丽，你为什么感到抱歉，我无法应对，
that that I cannot cope with
我无法应对，
that I hurt I hurt hurt hurt deeply I
我很痛苦，我很痛苦，很痛苦，我
think there's a lot of hurt in this
觉得这个故事里有很多伤痛，
story it's a very sad that's exactly
这非常悲伤，这正是
right in 2022 who through posts on
就在 2022 年，通过社交媒体上的帖子，
social media Abraham Christie's dark
亚伯拉罕·克里斯蒂的黑暗
past was
过去被
revealed in a previous relationship in
揭露，他在 90 年代的一段前恋情中，
the '90s Abraham physically abused three
亚伯拉罕虐待了三个
small children into alleging their own
小孩，让他们指控自己的
father was a
父亲是
pedophile I've spoken to Abraham
恋童癖者，我和亚伯拉罕·
Christie's former St family and they've
克里斯蒂的前圣家人谈过，他们 我
told me that this has happened before
告诉过我 这种事情以前也发生过，
the pattern's exactly the same as with
模式和
Abigail and
阿比盖尔和
Joseph he's a child abuser and he should
约瑟夫一模一样，他是个虐待儿童的人，他应该
be bloody jailed he really should be
被关进监狱，他真的应该被关进监狱，
it's just unforgivable that he hasn't
他没有
been dealt
受到
with it's very clear from everything
惩罚是不可原谅的，从我读到的所有内容来看，这一点非常清楚。
I've read and
understood that Abraham Christie is just
知道亚伯拉罕·克里斯蒂只是
a
一个
monster I think he likes to control the
怪物，我认为他喜欢控制
women and the children the more
女人和孩子，那些
vulnerable people that come into his
进入他
life and we all just became Collateral
生活的人，我们都成了附带
Damage I think when Abraham and Sabine
损害，我认为当亚伯拉罕和萨宾
ended up sort of coming together it was
最终走到一起时，
The Perfect
完美
Storm do you worry about the world more
风暴你是否比以前更担心这个世界
than you did then like you worried about
就像你担心的那样让
petrifies me petrifies
我感到震惊让我感到震惊那
me the instant has become a brainwashed
一刻已经成为一个被洗脑的
world it's not healthier in any shape or
世界它在任何形式上都不会更健康
form it really isn't I don't think it's
它真的不是我不认为它是
going to bring any good for our
会给我们的孩子带来任何好处，
kids I think this story has bigger
我认为这个故事对真相有更大的
ramifications about about the truth
影响，关于
about where the truth matters well we
真相在哪里重要，我们
now we
now know that it's a very
现在知道这是一个非常
individual
个人的
um experience and um for some people
经历，对一些人来说，
truth is an is an like an objective say
真相是一个客观的
so I'm interested in your no what's true
这么说吧 我感兴趣的是，
for me is is may not be true for you
对我来说是正确的，但对你来说可能不正确，
that's that's why it's an individual
这就是为什么这是个人的
experience gusta Yung K Gustav Yung was
经历 gusta Yung K Gustav Yung
asked whether he believes in God he said
被问及他是否相信上帝，他说
he doesn't believe he knows
他不相信，他知道
that's what truth
这就是真理
is that's interesting for me go to the
这对我来说很有趣，直奔
very heart of what's what's so
intriguing about this case I think is
这个案例最吸引人的地方，我认为，
that is that very question it's about
这就是问题的核心，它关乎
believing and knowing yeah and it's a
信仰和认知，是的，
very powerful thing to believe something
相信某件事是真的，这是一件很有力量的事情，是的
true yeah we clearly have emotions and
，我们显然有情感，
the emotional need to believe as well I
情感上也需要相信，我的
mean
意思是，
people wouldn't believe in in in all of
these cult things if they they didn't
如果人们没有和其他相信善良的人一样的情感需求，他们就不会相信所有这些邪教的东西，
have that same need as others who
believe in goodness it's downright
这完全是对
murder of children um sexual physical
儿童的谋杀，嗯，
emotional abuse of children but this is
对儿童进行性虐待、身体虐待、情感虐待，但是 这
all stems from um a p what does it say
一切都源于嗯，a p 这
about us as a society that truth doesn't
对我们这个社会意味着什么，真相似乎并不
seem to
matter I find that really
重要，我发现这真的很
terrifying the
可怕，
secs
and you're in these conspiracy theory
你在这些阴谋论
groups still under this assumed identity
团体中仍然处于这种假定的身份之下，
yeah and we're all
是的， 我们
friends all of
都是朋友，
us can you understand why that's a
你能理解为什么这对
straighten concept for someone no no no
某些人来说是一个直截了当的概念吗，因为
cuz cuz when you've watched them for 5
当你观察了他们 5
years and seen how persistent how
年，看到
persistent these people are how
这些人是多么的执着，他们是多么的执着，
persistent these people are how
they're not going away how they're
他们不是 他们
mentally unhinged and how
精神错乱，
they are obsessed with this story and
痴迷于这个故事，
are obsessed with protecting your child
痴迷于保护你的孩子
and saving your child
，拯救你的孩子，
no there's no shutting a book on this
这个故事是无法结束的，
story so actually so going to prison
所以实际上，入狱
wasn't the happy ending to this story
并不是一个圆满的结局 这个故事
not for me
不适合我，
no so me shutting those accounts down
所以关闭这些账户
would be
stupid because you're dealing with
愚蠢的，因为你要与那些
people that won't let it
不允许它的人打交道
go
去
oh
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